About the show

The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.

Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.

In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.

Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.

PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).


  • Episode 10: Budget Special with Unconventional Economist Leith van Onselen

    October 15th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  48 mins 56 secs
    2020 budget, leith van onselen, macrobusiness, shock octopus, sustainable population australia, unconventional economist

    The Federal budget was made public on October 2006 with the usual disappointment we have come to expect from the coalition government (well from both major parties really). So what SHOULD the budget have looked like as we enter into the pandemic flecked decade of consequence? Host Michael Bayliss talks to Leith van Onselen to find out what a sensible economic response during these trying times SHOULD look like

  • Episode 9: Healing within to heal the world - with Jim Villarreal

    October 2nd, 2020  |  Season 1  |  40 mins
    gold cap integration newtork, holistic activism, jim villarreal

    In the second part of the 'spirituality special' of PGAP, we interview Jim Villarreal of Gold Cap Integration Network to discuss that healing the world means healing the internal traumas that lie within us all. We also explore an exciting new movement called Holistic Activism which is seeking to bring together activism and mindful practices.

  • Episode 8: Can we change the system without changing ourselves? A Taoistic perspective with Darpan

    October 2nd, 2020  |  Season 1  |  1 hr 21 mins
    darpan, holistic activism, post-growth, spirituality

    Many times on PGAP we have discussed how critical it is to live in a way that is Ecocentric rather than Anthropocentric. To decolonise our economies and societies so they are living within the laws of nature rather than trying to dominate the natural world.
    So what needs to change and how to we facilitate this change? Do we rally against corporations, governments, capitalism and neoliberalism? Or do we need to stop changing the cruel churning world and work to shift our cruel churning minds caught in trauma, language, concepts and judgement? Can one even separate one without the other?

  • Episode 7: Discovering Degrowth with Anitra Nelson

    September 16th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  51 mins 55 secs
    anitra nelson, degrowth, post-growth, retrosuburbia, shared living, town planning rebellion

    Degrowth? What does it mean? Is it about austerity and deprivation? Or is it about community, collaboration and unshackling ourselves from the matrix of the growth economy into a world that is more equitable, liveable and sustainable? According to Anitra Nelson – definitely the latter!

  • Episode 06: Post Growth Institute with Robert Wanalo

    September 4th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  44 mins 30 secs

    For the 06th episode of Post Growth Australia Podcast, we thought it was prime time to connect with the Post Growth Institute (PGI) themselves. After all, no post-growth advocate worth their salt should go through life without connecting with this wonderful, tireless hub of connectors and game changers at some point. Being the incredible international net workers they are, PGAP had the opportunity to speak with their Partnerships Manager, Kenyan born and raised Robert Wanalo.

  • Episode 5: Earth Overshoot Day with Derrick Jensen

    August 20th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  47 mins 27 secs
    counting backwards, derrick jensen, earth overshoot day, post-growth

    Well the good news is that Earth Overshoot Day arrived later this year on August the 22nd than it did in 2019 on July the 29th. The bad news is that this is due to COVID, not because of much concerted effort on part of the dominant economic paradigm. Earth Overshoot Day is always a sobering, soul-searching time for host Michael Bayliss, so what better way to go about it than to soul-search with one of the most thoughtful and articulate (and famous) environmentalist and authors of our time, Derrick Jensen?

  • Episode 4: Episode 4: Reimagining an Earth Centered Economy with Michelle Maloney

    August 5th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  37 mins 53 secs
    aela, anthropocentric, ecocentric, michelle maloney, nena, population, post-growth, shock octopus

    Since colonization, the human race has been blinded by the delusion that we are separate, above and beyond all other species to whom we share the planet. As we enter the decade of consequence, PGAP interviews Dr Michelle Maloney, who has dedicated her life to unpacking these myths and provides some insight into what an earth-centred society might look like.

  • Episode 3: World Population Day (part b)

    July 18th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  50 mins 14 secs
    dave gardner, joao abegao, jude perl, post-growth, world population balance, world population day, wpd

    World Population Day has passed but its legacy continues! In part B of our world population day special, PGAP travels (virtually) to the USA to speak with Dave Gardner from World Population Balance and to Portugal to talk with the academic João Abegão. We are also serenaded by the song 'Let's Hang Out' by child free comedian Jude Perl.

  • Episode 2: World Population Day (part a)

    July 10th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  44 mins 8 secs
    8 billion angels, bob carr, chase africa, ian lowe, katharine betts, paul collins, world population day

    For world population day 2020, PGAP interviews game changers from across the globe who advocate for population sustainability and for women's choice and empowerment.

  • First Episode of Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP)

    July 2nd, 2020  |  Season 1  |  56 mins 48 secs

    What is the steady state economy why is it better than the growth economy we already have?

    For the first episode of Post-Growth Australia Podcast, host Michael Bayliss is joined by Jonathan Miller (steady state ACT) and Martin Tye (CASSE) who explain why the steady state economy is every bit as interesting and dynamic as what we have now, just MUCH better for the future of the planet.