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    <description>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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    <itunes:summary>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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  <title>Finding The Money with Maren Poitras</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>As this episode goes to air, a brand-new documentary on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is touring Australia and PGAP has been given the incredible opportunity to speak to USA based director of "Finding the Money", Maren Poitras. Maren has just embarked on a screening tour of South East Australia alongside Stephanie Kelton, who is a leading proponent of the MMT movement and author of ‘The Deficit Myth’.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>As this episode goes to air, a brand-new documentary on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is touring Australia and PGAP has been given the incredible opportunity to speak to USA based director of "Finding the Money (https://findingmoneyfilm.com/)", Maren Poitras. Maren has just embarked on a screening tour of South East Australia alongside Stephanie Kelton, who is a leading proponent of the MMT movement and author of ‘The Deficit Myth’ (https://stephaniekelton.com/book/).
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(Australian Poster)
During this revealing interview, Maren discusses the importance of MMT and the journey that making a feature length documentary on this important topic has taken her on.  The conversation also explores why it is crucial that MMT goes hand in hand with post growth narratives and why it is important to combine the two in order to create an economic system that works within limits to growth.
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/6nSY0EvJ.jpg" alt="Maren Poitras"&gt;
(Maren Poitras)
‘Finding The Money’ was filmed and produced in the USA with a focus around Stephanie Kelton’s advocacy in that country.  However, Australia is the first country in the world to host screenings in advance of the documentary’s official release in the USA later this year.  This is testament to the growing popularity of MMT in Australia and its many homegrown advocates of economic reform.  These include institutions such as Modern Money Lab (https://pgap.fireside.fm/mmtlab) and Economic Reform Australia (https://pgap.fireside.fm/era) as well as author Steve Williams (https://pgap.fireside.fm/stevewilliams) - all have been previous guests on PGAP.
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/AiOLa-h4.jpg" alt="FTM logo"&gt;
You can find the dates of the Australian screening tour below and if you are in the right place at the right time, we strongly encourage that you go and see it.  Not only is it a brilliant documentary but you will also have the opportunity to meet and greet Stephanie Kelton and Maren Poitras.  CLICK HERE (https://modernmoneylab.org.au/events/film-tour/) to book your tickets.
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/VM0Lg3Ho.png" alt="Australian tour dates"&gt;
Post-Growth Australia Podcast is made with the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/).  We refer to SPA’s discussion paper in this interview: "Silver Tsunami or Silver Lining:  Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population (https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/)".  Any views, opinions or legacy of our guests do not necessarily reflect those of PGAP or SPA.
Your PGAP co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen are very pleased and humbled by the excellent response to the podcasts that we have made so far this year. We have had more listens than ever before, so a big thank you to our ever-growing community!  We truly believe that "Finding the Money" and the conversations in this episode are very important and worth supporting, so we would be very grateful if you could share this episode within your networks.  Also, please feel free to contact us (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) at any time with your feedback and thoughts. 
You can find out more about your hosts here  (https://michaelbayliss.org/)and here (https://holisticactivism.net/).
 Special Guest: Maren Poitras.
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    <![CDATA[<p>As this episode goes to air, a brand-new documentary on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is touring Australia and PGAP has been given the incredible opportunity to speak to USA based director of &quot;<a href="https://findingmoneyfilm.com/" rel="nofollow">Finding the Money</a>&quot;, Maren Poitras. Maren has just embarked on a screening tour of South East Australia alongside Stephanie Kelton, who is a leading proponent of the MMT movement and author of ‘<a href="https://stephaniekelton.com/book/" rel="nofollow">The Deficit Myth’</a>.</p>

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<em>(Australian Poster)</em></p>

<p>During this revealing interview, Maren discusses the importance of MMT and the journey that making a feature length documentary on this important topic has taken her on.  The conversation also explores why it is crucial that MMT goes hand in hand with post growth narratives and why it is important to combine the two in order to create an economic system that works within limits to growth.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/6nSY0EvJ.jpg" alt="Maren Poitras"><br>
<em>(Maren Poitras)</em></p>

<p>‘Finding The Money’ was filmed and produced in the USA with a focus around Stephanie Kelton’s advocacy in that country.  However, Australia is the first country in the world to host screenings in advance of the documentary’s official release in the USA later this year.  This is testament to the growing popularity of MMT in Australia and its many homegrown advocates of economic reform.  These include institutions such as <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mmtlab" rel="nofollow">Modern Money Lab</a> and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/era" rel="nofollow">Economic Reform Australia</a> as well as author <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/stevewilliams" rel="nofollow">Steve Williams</a> - all have been previous guests on PGAP.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/AiOLa-h4.jpg" alt="FTM logo"></p>

<p>You can find the dates of the Australian screening tour below and if you are in the right place at the right time, we strongly encourage that you go and see it.  Not only is it a brilliant documentary but you will also have the opportunity to meet and greet Stephanie Kelton and Maren Poitras.  <a href="https://modernmoneylab.org.au/events/film-tour/" rel="nofollow">CLICK HERE</a> to book your tickets.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/VM0Lg3Ho.png" alt="Australian tour dates"></p>

<p>Post-Growth Australia Podcast is made with the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  We refer to SPA’s discussion paper in this interview: &quot;<a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/" rel="nofollow">Silver Tsunami or Silver Lining:  Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population</a>&quot;.  Any views, opinions or legacy of our guests do not necessarily reflect those of PGAP or SPA.</p>

<p>Your PGAP co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen are very pleased and humbled by the excellent response to the podcasts that we have made so far this year. We have had more listens than ever before, so a big thank you to our ever-growing community!  We truly believe that &quot;Finding the Money&quot; and the conversations in this episode are very important and worth supporting, so we would be very grateful if you could share this episode within your networks.  Also, please feel free to <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">contact us</a> at any time with your feedback and thoughts. </p>

<p>You can find out more about your hosts <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">here </a>and <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Maren Poitras.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>As this episode goes to air, a brand-new documentary on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is touring Australia and PGAP has been given the incredible opportunity to speak to USA based director of &quot;<a href="https://findingmoneyfilm.com/" rel="nofollow">Finding the Money</a>&quot;, Maren Poitras. Maren has just embarked on a screening tour of South East Australia alongside Stephanie Kelton, who is a leading proponent of the MMT movement and author of ‘<a href="https://stephaniekelton.com/book/" rel="nofollow">The Deficit Myth’</a>.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/EMA2VRxy.jpg" alt="Resize Australian poster"><br>
<em>(Australian Poster)</em></p>

<p>During this revealing interview, Maren discusses the importance of MMT and the journey that making a feature length documentary on this important topic has taken her on.  The conversation also explores why it is crucial that MMT goes hand in hand with post growth narratives and why it is important to combine the two in order to create an economic system that works within limits to growth.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/6nSY0EvJ.jpg" alt="Maren Poitras"><br>
<em>(Maren Poitras)</em></p>

<p>‘Finding The Money’ was filmed and produced in the USA with a focus around Stephanie Kelton’s advocacy in that country.  However, Australia is the first country in the world to host screenings in advance of the documentary’s official release in the USA later this year.  This is testament to the growing popularity of MMT in Australia and its many homegrown advocates of economic reform.  These include institutions such as <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mmtlab" rel="nofollow">Modern Money Lab</a> and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/era" rel="nofollow">Economic Reform Australia</a> as well as author <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/stevewilliams" rel="nofollow">Steve Williams</a> - all have been previous guests on PGAP.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/AiOLa-h4.jpg" alt="FTM logo"></p>

<p>You can find the dates of the Australian screening tour below and if you are in the right place at the right time, we strongly encourage that you go and see it.  Not only is it a brilliant documentary but you will also have the opportunity to meet and greet Stephanie Kelton and Maren Poitras.  <a href="https://modernmoneylab.org.au/events/film-tour/" rel="nofollow">CLICK HERE</a> to book your tickets.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/VM0Lg3Ho.png" alt="Australian tour dates"></p>

<p>Post-Growth Australia Podcast is made with the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  We refer to SPA’s discussion paper in this interview: &quot;<a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/" rel="nofollow">Silver Tsunami or Silver Lining:  Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population</a>&quot;.  Any views, opinions or legacy of our guests do not necessarily reflect those of PGAP or SPA.</p>

<p>Your PGAP co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen are very pleased and humbled by the excellent response to the podcasts that we have made so far this year. We have had more listens than ever before, so a big thank you to our ever-growing community!  We truly believe that &quot;Finding the Money&quot; and the conversations in this episode are very important and worth supporting, so we would be very grateful if you could share this episode within your networks.  Also, please feel free to <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">contact us</a> at any time with your feedback and thoughts. </p>

<p>You can find out more about your hosts <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">here </a>and <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Maren Poitras.</p>]]>
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  <title>Planning for a Just Collapse with Kate Booth</title>
  <link>https://pgap.fireside.fm/katebooth</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 09:00:00 +1000</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Bayliss</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>It is not every day that urban planning and societal collapse are discussed in the same conversation.  But for Kate Booth – activist academic and Associate Professor at the University of Tasmania, both are critical and interlinked issues.  In this very educational episode, Kate talks us through the Insurgent Planning movement as well as the Just Collapse movement.   At a time when Australia’s Federal Government is scrambling to build 1.2 million new homes while the recent climate data suggests that an ecological collapse is imminent, these are difficult but necessary conversations that we need to be having.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>55:29</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>It is not every day that urban planning and societal collapse are discussed in the same conversation.  But for Kate Booth – activist academic and Associate Professor at the University of Tasmania, both are critical and interlinked issues.  In this very educational episode, Kate talks us through the Insurgent Planning movement as well as the Just Collapse movement.   At a time when Australia’s Federal Government is scrambling to build 1.2 million new homes while the recent climate data suggests that an ecological collapse is imminent, these are difficult but necessary conversations that we need to be having.
Kate Booth is Associate Professor of Human Geography, and activist academic, in the School of Geography, Planning and Spatial Sciences at the University of Tasmania. Her teaching and research addresses socio-ecological inequity in the context of rapid and unprecedented global change, and she leads a ‘Critical Collapse Studies’ research program underpinned by her expertise on insurance in a changing climate. She also teaches urban and regional planning.  You can read more about Kate here. (https://discover.utas.edu.au/Kate.Booth)
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/LTqOWmIQ.jpg" alt="kate booth"&gt;
Just Collapse is an activist platform dedicated to socio-ecological justice in face of inevitable and irreversible global collapse.  You can find out more about Just Collapse here (https://justcollapse.org/).  You can also read more about insurgent planning here (https://justcollapse.org/2023/03/13/a-little-book-of-insurgent-planning/)  or watch a video that Kate produced here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIp2Sci3l8).
An interview with Kate and Tristan Sykes is also available from Collapse Club on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4g-d_bPw4&amp;amp;t=407s).
Kate is a regular contributor on the Town Planning Rebellion (TPR)  Facebook Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/459336597565689),  which is administered and moderated by your PGAP co-hosts,  Mark Allen  (https://holisticactivism.net/)and Michael Bayliss (https://michaelbayliss.org/).
Liked this episode and want to hear more?  In 2021,  PGAP recorded three episodes on the road in Tasmania,  with many special guests,  which can be listened to here, (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1) here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse) and here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect3).   You may also like our episode on Retrosuburbia with David Holgren (https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren).
Help the world to degrow by helping PGAP to grow!  Share this episode with your family and friends and rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099).   Contact us (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) with your feedback and suggestions for future topics or guests.
PGAP is made possible through the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/).   The opinions of PGAP guests,  including any legacies past or present,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.
 Special Guest: Kate Booth.
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  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>It is not every day that urban planning and societal collapse are discussed in the same conversation.  But for Kate Booth – activist academic and Associate Professor at the University of Tasmania, both are critical and interlinked issues.  In this very educational episode, Kate talks us through the Insurgent Planning movement as well as the Just Collapse movement.   At a time when Australia’s Federal Government is scrambling to build 1.2 million new homes while the recent climate data suggests that an ecological collapse is imminent, these are difficult but necessary conversations that we need to be having.</p>

<p>Kate Booth is Associate Professor of Human Geography, and activist academic, in the School of Geography, Planning and Spatial Sciences at the University of Tasmania. Her teaching and research addresses socio-ecological inequity in the context of rapid and unprecedented global change, and she leads a ‘Critical Collapse Studies’ research program underpinned by her expertise on insurance in a changing climate. She also teaches urban and regional planning.  You can read more about <a href="https://discover.utas.edu.au/Kate.Booth" rel="nofollow">Kate here.</a></p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/LTqOWmIQ.jpg" alt="kate booth"></p>

<p>Just Collapse is an activist platform dedicated to socio-ecological justice in face of inevitable and irreversible global collapse.  You can find out more about <a href="https://justcollapse.org/" rel="nofollow">Just Collapse here</a>.  You can also read more about<a href="https://justcollapse.org/2023/03/13/a-little-book-of-insurgent-planning/" rel="nofollow"> insurgent planning here</a>  or watch a video that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIp2Sci3l8" rel="nofollow">Kate produced here</a>.</p>

<p>An interview with Kate and Tristan Sykes is also available from <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4g-d_bPw4&t=407s" rel="nofollow">Collapse Club on YouTube</a>.</p>

<p>Kate is a regular contributor on the Town Planning Rebellion (TPR)  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/459336597565689" rel="nofollow">Facebook Group</a>,  which is administered and moderated by your PGAP co-hosts,  <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">Mark Allen </a>and <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">Michael Bayliss</a>.</p>

<p>Liked this episode and want to hear more?  In 2021,  PGAP recorded three episodes on the road in Tasmania,  with many special guests,  which can be listened to <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1" rel="nofollow">here,</a> <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect3" rel="nofollow">here</a>.   You may also like our episode on <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren" rel="nofollow">Retrosuburbia with David Holgren</a>.</p>

<p>Help the world to degrow by helping PGAP to grow!  Share this episode with your family and friends and rate and review us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.   <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">Contact us</a> with your feedback and suggestions for future topics or guests.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible through the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.   The opinions of PGAP guests,  including any legacies past or present,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.</p><p>Special Guest: Kate Booth.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>It is not every day that urban planning and societal collapse are discussed in the same conversation.  But for Kate Booth – activist academic and Associate Professor at the University of Tasmania, both are critical and interlinked issues.  In this very educational episode, Kate talks us through the Insurgent Planning movement as well as the Just Collapse movement.   At a time when Australia’s Federal Government is scrambling to build 1.2 million new homes while the recent climate data suggests that an ecological collapse is imminent, these are difficult but necessary conversations that we need to be having.</p>

<p>Kate Booth is Associate Professor of Human Geography, and activist academic, in the School of Geography, Planning and Spatial Sciences at the University of Tasmania. Her teaching and research addresses socio-ecological inequity in the context of rapid and unprecedented global change, and she leads a ‘Critical Collapse Studies’ research program underpinned by her expertise on insurance in a changing climate. She also teaches urban and regional planning.  You can read more about <a href="https://discover.utas.edu.au/Kate.Booth" rel="nofollow">Kate here.</a></p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/LTqOWmIQ.jpg" alt="kate booth"></p>

<p>Just Collapse is an activist platform dedicated to socio-ecological justice in face of inevitable and irreversible global collapse.  You can find out more about <a href="https://justcollapse.org/" rel="nofollow">Just Collapse here</a>.  You can also read more about<a href="https://justcollapse.org/2023/03/13/a-little-book-of-insurgent-planning/" rel="nofollow"> insurgent planning here</a>  or watch a video that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIp2Sci3l8" rel="nofollow">Kate produced here</a>.</p>

<p>An interview with Kate and Tristan Sykes is also available from <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4g-d_bPw4&t=407s" rel="nofollow">Collapse Club on YouTube</a>.</p>

<p>Kate is a regular contributor on the Town Planning Rebellion (TPR)  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/459336597565689" rel="nofollow">Facebook Group</a>,  which is administered and moderated by your PGAP co-hosts,  <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">Mark Allen </a>and <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">Michael Bayliss</a>.</p>

<p>Liked this episode and want to hear more?  In 2021,  PGAP recorded three episodes on the road in Tasmania,  with many special guests,  which can be listened to <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect1" rel="nofollow">here,</a> <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/tasperspect3" rel="nofollow">here</a>.   You may also like our episode on <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/holmgren" rel="nofollow">Retrosuburbia with David Holgren</a>.</p>

<p>Help the world to degrow by helping PGAP to grow!  Share this episode with your family and friends and rate and review us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.   <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">Contact us</a> with your feedback and suggestions for future topics or guests.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible through the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.   The opinions of PGAP guests,  including any legacies past or present,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.</p><p>Special Guest: Kate Booth.</p>]]>
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