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    <title>Post-Growth Australia Podcast - Episodes Tagged with “Zero Input Agriculture”</title>
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    <description>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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    <itunes:subtitle>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger</itunes:subtitle>
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    <itunes:summary>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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      <itunes:name>Michael Bayliss</itunes:name>
      <itunes:email>spamediacm@gmail.com</itunes:email>
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  <title>Mini Episode:  Shane Simonsen on Farming,  Podcasts,  Books and Population</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>We caught up with Shane to get an update of the farm - including the addition of some new four legged residents - only to discover that Shane has branched out accross many projects including:  Cohosting the 'Going to Seed' podcast;  authoring 'Our Vitreous Womb'  and 'Taming the Apocalypse'  as well as two articles on overpopulation written for 'Zero Input Agriculture'.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>In this mini episode,  Post-Growth Australia Podcast reunites with Dr.  Shane Simonson.
Last time we spoke with Shane in PGAP season 3 (https://pgap.fireside.fm/zeroinput),  he gave us a tour of his 'Zero Input Agriculture'  farm in Queensland.
We caught up with Shane to get an update of the farm - including the addition of some new four legged residents - only to discover that Shane has branched out accross many projects including:
Cohosting the Going To Seed Podcast. (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-going-to-seed-podcast/id1713240427).  This podcast is of special interest to anyone wanting to explore deeply into alternative and revolutionary crop breeders from around the world.   The episode with Bruce Pascoe (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-to-seed-bruce-pascoe/id1713240427?i=1000638665431) will be of particular interest to Australian listeners.
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/wFqh_ntJ.png" alt="Shane Bruce"&gt;
Shane has written a biological hard scifi novel "Our Vitreous Womb", under the author name Haldane B. Doyle. You can find more about Shane's impressive work of fiction here (https://haldanebdoyle.com/).
Shane has also written a non fiction novel "Taming the Apocalypse",  a short novella exploring the potential of novel domestications and low tech biotechnology to guide humanity through the end of industrial civilisation.  Find out more here (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/taming-the-apocalypse-shane-simonsen/1145571651;jsessionid=2694C8791703DE0BDA9BC42209AFB72C.prodny_store01-atgap14?ean=2940192815410).
Shane's two articles mentioned in the interview,  are The City Is A Lion (https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/2022/04/15/the-city-is-a-lion/) and The Genie in the Bottleneck (https://zeroinputagriculture.substack.com/p/the-genie-in-the-bottleneck).  These articles will be of interest to anyone interested in overpopulation and seeking an original, perspective on the issue.
PGAP is made possible by the kind support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/).  All guest opinions, perspectives and past and present legacies are exclusively their own and may not always reflects those of PGAP or SPA.  PGAP's official position on the population debate may be read at our [BLOG HERE].(https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population)
Please rate and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099)
 Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this mini episode,  Post-Growth Australia Podcast reunites with Dr.  Shane Simonson.</p>

<p>Last time we spoke with Shane in PGAP <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/zeroinput" rel="nofollow">season 3</a>,  he gave us a tour of his &#39;Zero Input Agriculture&#39;  farm in Queensland.</p>

<p>We caught up with Shane to get an update of the farm - including the addition of some new four legged residents - only to discover that Shane has branched out accross many projects including:</p>

<p>Cohosting the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-going-to-seed-podcast/id1713240427" rel="nofollow">Going To Seed Podcast.</a>.  This podcast is of special interest to anyone wanting to explore deeply into alternative and revolutionary crop breeders from around the world.   The episode with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-to-seed-bruce-pascoe/id1713240427?i=1000638665431" rel="nofollow">Bruce Pascoe</a> will be of particular interest to Australian listeners.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/wFqh_ntJ.png" alt="Shane Bruce"></p>

<p>Shane has written a biological hard scifi novel &quot;Our Vitreous Womb&quot;, under the author name Haldane B. Doyle. You can find more about Shane&#39;s impressive <a href="https://haldanebdoyle.com/" rel="nofollow">work of fiction here</a>.</p>

<p>Shane has also written a non fiction novel &quot;Taming the Apocalypse&quot;,  a short novella exploring the potential of novel domestications and low tech biotechnology to guide humanity through the end of industrial civilisation.  <a href="https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/taming-the-apocalypse-shane-simonsen/1145571651;jsessionid=2694C8791703DE0BDA9BC42209AFB72C.prodny_store01-atgap14?ean=2940192815410" rel="nofollow">Find out more here</a>.</p>

<p>Shane&#39;s two articles mentioned in the interview,  are <a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/2022/04/15/the-city-is-a-lion/" rel="nofollow">The City Is A Lion</a> and<a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.substack.com/p/the-genie-in-the-bottleneck" rel="nofollow"> The Genie in the Bottleneck</a>.  These articles will be of interest to anyone interested in overpopulation and seeking an original, perspective on the issue.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible by the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  All guest opinions, perspectives and past and present legacies are exclusively their own and may not always reflects those of PGAP or SPA.  PGAP&#39;s official position on the population debate may be read at our [BLOG HERE].(<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population" rel="nofollow">https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population</a>)</p>

<p>Please rate and review PGAP on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a></p><p>Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this mini episode,  Post-Growth Australia Podcast reunites with Dr.  Shane Simonson.</p>

<p>Last time we spoke with Shane in PGAP <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/zeroinput" rel="nofollow">season 3</a>,  he gave us a tour of his &#39;Zero Input Agriculture&#39;  farm in Queensland.</p>

<p>We caught up with Shane to get an update of the farm - including the addition of some new four legged residents - only to discover that Shane has branched out accross many projects including:</p>

<p>Cohosting the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-going-to-seed-podcast/id1713240427" rel="nofollow">Going To Seed Podcast.</a>.  This podcast is of special interest to anyone wanting to explore deeply into alternative and revolutionary crop breeders from around the world.   The episode with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-to-seed-bruce-pascoe/id1713240427?i=1000638665431" rel="nofollow">Bruce Pascoe</a> will be of particular interest to Australian listeners.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/wFqh_ntJ.png" alt="Shane Bruce"></p>

<p>Shane has written a biological hard scifi novel &quot;Our Vitreous Womb&quot;, under the author name Haldane B. Doyle. You can find more about Shane&#39;s impressive <a href="https://haldanebdoyle.com/" rel="nofollow">work of fiction here</a>.</p>

<p>Shane has also written a non fiction novel &quot;Taming the Apocalypse&quot;,  a short novella exploring the potential of novel domestications and low tech biotechnology to guide humanity through the end of industrial civilisation.  <a href="https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/taming-the-apocalypse-shane-simonsen/1145571651;jsessionid=2694C8791703DE0BDA9BC42209AFB72C.prodny_store01-atgap14?ean=2940192815410" rel="nofollow">Find out more here</a>.</p>

<p>Shane&#39;s two articles mentioned in the interview,  are <a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/2022/04/15/the-city-is-a-lion/" rel="nofollow">The City Is A Lion</a> and<a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.substack.com/p/the-genie-in-the-bottleneck" rel="nofollow"> The Genie in the Bottleneck</a>.  These articles will be of interest to anyone interested in overpopulation and seeking an original, perspective on the issue.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible by the kind support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  All guest opinions, perspectives and past and present legacies are exclusively their own and may not always reflects those of PGAP or SPA.  PGAP&#39;s official position on the population debate may be read at our [BLOG HERE].(<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population" rel="nofollow">https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population</a>)</p>

<p>Please rate and review PGAP on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a></p><p>Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.</p>]]>
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  <title>Zero Input Agriculture with Shane Simonsen</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 07:00:00 +1100</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Bayliss</author>
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  <itunes:season>3</itunes:season>
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  <itunes:subtitle>With the twin horsemen of climate change and diminishing fossil fuels impacting food security (did you know that 10 calories of fossil fuel are required per calorie of food?) it is evident that the future of industrial agriculture looks more than a little grim.  Given that food is critical for survival, PGAP continues to explore the essential answers to the question:  how do we radically change our approach to growing food in the years to come?

Dr. Shane Simonsen operates a ‘Zero Input Agriculture’ farm in the highlands of South-East Queensland.  What does zero input mean and does it work?  Shane shares with PGAP how a zero input system works, in addition to weaving his vast knowledge and unique insights into a very pithy conversation with PGAP host Michael Bayliss.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>1:02:47</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>With the twin horsemen of climate change and diminishing fossil fuels impacting food security (did you know that 10 calories of fossil fuel are required per calorie of food?) it is evident that the future of industrial agriculture looks more than a little grim.  Given that food is critical for survival, PGAP continues to explore the essential answers to the question:  how do we radically change our approach to growing food in the years to come?
Dr. Shane Simonsen operates a ‘Zero Input Agriculture’ farm in the highlands of South-East Queensland.  What does zero input mean and does it work?  Shane shares with PGAP how a zero input system works, in addition to weaving his vast knowledge and unique insights into a very pithy conversation with PGAP host Michael Bayliss.
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/G11CeCJS.jpg" alt="Shane Simonsen"&gt;
Shane regularly posts on his farm and his worldly observation on his website, Zero Input Agriculture (https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/), which we encourage you to explore.  Shane has also been a guest on podcasts such as Abundant Edge (https://abundantedge.com/what-would-agriculture-look-like-with-zero-inputs-with-shane-simonsen-author-of-zero-input-agriculture/).
Shane and I are mutual contacts of Michel Stasse and Doon Wyborn, both doing great things in permaculture and collapse awareness. Both have also been previous guests on PGAP.  You can listen to Doon’s interview here  (https://pgap.fireside.fm/bindarrabi)and Michel here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse).
Do you enjoy this episode? Then please Support PGAP.  Subscribe here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe).  Contact us here (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact).  Rate and review us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099).  
Last episode I interviewed regenerative farming icon Charles Massy (https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner) to promote the Fenner conference ‘Making Australian Agriculture Sustainable.’  The Fenner conference proved to be fantastic with its array of fantastic speakers and its juggling of the precariousness of Australia’s agricultural predicaments while also offering many hopeful solutions.  I certainly learnt a lot more about dung beetles!  The conference was supported and sponsored by Sustainable Population Australi (https://population.org.au/)a, who also support this podcast.  Good on them!
These are a couple of online screenshots from the first day of the conference.  I am sure higher quality photos,  taken on ground,  will be available soon!
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/ofjH8e7H.png" alt="Fenner 1"&gt;
&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/EJfrsFBk.png" alt="fenner 2"&gt;
The song of choice for this episode is ‘Safe Room’, the first recorded single from my band ‘Shock Octopus’ back in 2011.  Back then, songs about collapse were still seen as somewhat niche in the WA music scene (and in mainstream society more broadly).  These days, collapse is so obviously a thing that even the Murdoch Press are talking about it!  What can I say, I was there first.  You can find out more about ‘Safe Room’ at the Shock Octopus Bandcamp page here (https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/)  (you can even support the artist and buy a copy – hint).
Would you like to find out more about PGAP’s host, Michael Bayliss? You can find out more at my website here (https://michaelbayliss.org/).
Disclaimer:  All opinions from PGAP’s guests are theirs alone, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or position held by PGAP, Michael Bayliss, or Sustainable Population Australia.  This includes all current and previous research, work,  advocacy or opinions attributable to our interviewees.
 Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.
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    <![CDATA[<p>With the twin horsemen of climate change and diminishing fossil fuels impacting food security (did you know that 10 calories of fossil fuel are required per calorie of food?) it is evident that the future of industrial agriculture looks more than a little grim.  Given that food is critical for survival, PGAP continues to explore the essential answers to the question:  how do we radically change our approach to growing food in the years to come?</p>

<p>Dr. Shane Simonsen operates a ‘Zero Input Agriculture’ farm in the highlands of South-East Queensland.  What does zero input mean and does it work?  Shane shares with PGAP how a zero input system works, in addition to weaving his vast knowledge and unique insights into a very pithy conversation with PGAP host Michael Bayliss.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/G11CeCJS.jpg" alt="Shane Simonsen"></p>

<p>Shane regularly posts on his farm and his worldly observation on his website, <a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Zero Input Agriculture</a>, which we encourage you to explore.  Shane has also been a guest on podcasts such as <a href="https://abundantedge.com/what-would-agriculture-look-like-with-zero-inputs-with-shane-simonsen-author-of-zero-input-agriculture/" rel="nofollow">Abundant Edge</a>.</p>

<p>Shane and I are mutual contacts of Michel Stasse and Doon Wyborn, both doing great things in permaculture and collapse awareness. Both have also been previous guests on PGAP.  You can listen to Doon’s interview <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/bindarrabi" rel="nofollow">here </a>and Michel <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Do you enjoy this episode? Then please Support PGAP.  <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" rel="nofollow">Subscribe here</a>.  Contact us <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Rate and review us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.  </p>

<p>Last episode I interviewed regenerative farming icon <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner" rel="nofollow">Charles Massy</a> to promote the Fenner conference ‘Making Australian Agriculture Sustainable.’  The Fenner conference proved to be fantastic with its array of fantastic speakers and its juggling of the precariousness of Australia’s agricultural predicaments while also offering many hopeful solutions.  I certainly learnt a lot more about dung beetles!  The conference was supported and sponsored by<a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow"> Sustainable Population Australi</a>a, who also support this podcast.  Good on them!</p>

<p>These are a couple of online screenshots from the first day of the conference.  I am sure higher quality photos,  taken on ground,  will be available soon!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/ofjH8e7H.png" alt="Fenner 1"></p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/EJfrsFBk.png" alt="fenner 2"></p>

<p>The song of choice for this episode is ‘Safe Room’, the first recorded single from my band ‘Shock Octopus’ back in 2011.  Back then, songs about collapse were still seen as somewhat niche in the WA music scene (and in mainstream society more broadly).  These days, collapse is so obviously a thing that even the Murdoch Press are talking about it!  What can I say, I was there first.  You can find out more about ‘Safe Room’ at the <a href="https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">Shock Octopus Bandcamp page here</a>  (you can even support the artist and buy a copy – hint).</p>

<p>Would you like to find out more about PGAP’s host, Michael Bayliss? You can find out more at <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">my website here</a>.</p>

<p><em>Disclaimer:  All opinions from PGAP’s guests are theirs alone, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or position held by PGAP, Michael Bayliss, or Sustainable Population Australia.  This includes all current and previous research, work,  advocacy or opinions attributable to our interviewees.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>With the twin horsemen of climate change and diminishing fossil fuels impacting food security (did you know that 10 calories of fossil fuel are required per calorie of food?) it is evident that the future of industrial agriculture looks more than a little grim.  Given that food is critical for survival, PGAP continues to explore the essential answers to the question:  how do we radically change our approach to growing food in the years to come?</p>

<p>Dr. Shane Simonsen operates a ‘Zero Input Agriculture’ farm in the highlands of South-East Queensland.  What does zero input mean and does it work?  Shane shares with PGAP how a zero input system works, in addition to weaving his vast knowledge and unique insights into a very pithy conversation with PGAP host Michael Bayliss.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/G11CeCJS.jpg" alt="Shane Simonsen"></p>

<p>Shane regularly posts on his farm and his worldly observation on his website, <a href="https://zeroinputagriculture.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Zero Input Agriculture</a>, which we encourage you to explore.  Shane has also been a guest on podcasts such as <a href="https://abundantedge.com/what-would-agriculture-look-like-with-zero-inputs-with-shane-simonsen-author-of-zero-input-agriculture/" rel="nofollow">Abundant Edge</a>.</p>

<p>Shane and I are mutual contacts of Michel Stasse and Doon Wyborn, both doing great things in permaculture and collapse awareness. Both have also been previous guests on PGAP.  You can listen to Doon’s interview <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/bindarrabi" rel="nofollow">here </a>and Michel <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/mikestasse" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Do you enjoy this episode? Then please Support PGAP.  <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" rel="nofollow">Subscribe here</a>.  Contact us <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Rate and review us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.  </p>

<p>Last episode I interviewed regenerative farming icon <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/fenner" rel="nofollow">Charles Massy</a> to promote the Fenner conference ‘Making Australian Agriculture Sustainable.’  The Fenner conference proved to be fantastic with its array of fantastic speakers and its juggling of the precariousness of Australia’s agricultural predicaments while also offering many hopeful solutions.  I certainly learnt a lot more about dung beetles!  The conference was supported and sponsored by<a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow"> Sustainable Population Australi</a>a, who also support this podcast.  Good on them!</p>

<p>These are a couple of online screenshots from the first day of the conference.  I am sure higher quality photos,  taken on ground,  will be available soon!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/ofjH8e7H.png" alt="Fenner 1"></p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/EJfrsFBk.png" alt="fenner 2"></p>

<p>The song of choice for this episode is ‘Safe Room’, the first recorded single from my band ‘Shock Octopus’ back in 2011.  Back then, songs about collapse were still seen as somewhat niche in the WA music scene (and in mainstream society more broadly).  These days, collapse is so obviously a thing that even the Murdoch Press are talking about it!  What can I say, I was there first.  You can find out more about ‘Safe Room’ at the <a href="https://shockoctopus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">Shock Octopus Bandcamp page here</a>  (you can even support the artist and buy a copy – hint).</p>

<p>Would you like to find out more about PGAP’s host, Michael Bayliss? You can find out more at <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">my website here</a>.</p>

<p><em>Disclaimer:  All opinions from PGAP’s guests are theirs alone, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or position held by PGAP, Michael Bayliss, or Sustainable Population Australia.  This includes all current and previous research, work,  advocacy or opinions attributable to our interviewees.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Dr. Shane Simonsen.</p>]]>
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