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    <title>Post-Growth Australia Podcast - Episodes Tagged with “Jane O'sullivan”</title>
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    <description>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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    <itunes:subtitle>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Michael Bayliss</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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      <itunes:name>Michael Bayliss</itunes:name>
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  <title>BONUS EPISODE:  Sustainable Population Australia says NO to a Big Australia</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:00:00 +1100</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Bayliss</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>For this short bonus episode of PGAP,  we welcome back Martin Tye,  Social Media and Promotions Coordinator of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).  Martin shares with us the details of SPA's new campaign 'Say NO to a Big Australia!'  He also gives us a heads up on SPA's public forum,  being held in Adelaide on April 20th,  "From housing crisis to eco-crisis: Why Australia's Population Growth is Unsustainable,"  including keynote speakers Leith van Onselen and Dr Jane O'Sullivan.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>11:59</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;For this short bonus episode of PGAP,  we welcome back Martin Tye,  Social Media and Promotions Coordinator of &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Sustainable Population Australia&lt;/a&gt; (SPA).  Martin shares with us the details of SPA's new campaign 'Say NO to a Big Australia!'  He also gives us a heads up on SPA's public forum,  being held in Adelaide on April 20th,  "From housing crisis to eco-crisis: Why Australia's Population Growth is Unsustainable,"  including keynote speakers Leith van Onselen and Dr Jane O'Sullivan.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/5C2PZyMk.jpg" alt="Say No Big Australia Campaign"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please consider &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;signing SPA's  position statement&lt;/a&gt;,  calling for a sustainable population.  Find out more about the &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/say_no_big_oz_campaign/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;campaign here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will you be in Adelaide on the 20th of April?  Then do come along to S&lt;a href="https://population.org.au/events/public_forum_april_2024/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;PA's free public forum&lt;/a&gt; on Australia's Ponzi population experiment - and what we can do about it.   For those not in Adelaide,  the event will be live streamed.   PGAP has interviewed both keynote speakers,  including&lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/budgetspecial" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt; Leith van Onselen &lt;/a&gt;from Macrobusiness,   and &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/populationclimatechange" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Jane O'Sullivan,&lt;/a&gt;  in past episodes.  Martin Tye was also interviewed in the &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;very first episode of PGAP.&lt;/a&gt;  Listen here for a walk down history lane!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/zqFXinRN.jpg" alt="SPA event details"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SPA are the primary supporters of Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP).  While this podcast aims to invite broad perspectives on the Degrowth movement,  we believe that a stable or slowly declining populations,  both domestically and globally,  are crucial components of the post-growth transition.  If you want to find out more about where your co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen sit on population,  you can read more &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.populationmedia.org/the-latest/population-growth-and-wealth-inequality" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HERE.&lt;/a&gt;  All opinions,  views and past and current legacies of our guests are strictly their own,  and do not always reflect the views of PGAP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PGAP have one last episode in the wings with a VERY special guest (no spoilers!)  before we take a short break.  Stay tuned!  In the meantime,  please share this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks.   Subscribe to PGAP &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; or contact us with your thoughts and ideas &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Martin Tye.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>For this short bonus episode of PGAP,  we welcome back Martin Tye,  Social Media and Promotions Coordinator of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a> (SPA).  Martin shares with us the details of SPA&#39;s new campaign &#39;Say NO to a Big Australia!&#39;  He also gives us a heads up on SPA&#39;s public forum,  being held in Adelaide on April 20th,  &quot;From housing crisis to eco-crisis: Why Australia&#39;s Population Growth is Unsustainable,&quot;  including keynote speakers Leith van Onselen and Dr Jane O&#39;Sullivan.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/5C2PZyMk.jpg" alt="Say No Big Australia Campaign"></p>

<p>Please consider <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">signing SPA&#39;s  position statement</a>,  calling for a sustainable population.  Find out more about the <a href="https://population.org.au/say_no_big_oz_campaign/" rel="nofollow">campaign here</a>. </p>

<p>Will you be in Adelaide on the 20th of April?  Then do come along to S<a href="https://population.org.au/events/public_forum_april_2024/" rel="nofollow">PA&#39;s free public forum</a> on Australia&#39;s Ponzi population experiment - and what we can do about it.   For those not in Adelaide,  the event will be live streamed.   PGAP has interviewed both keynote speakers,  including<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/budgetspecial" rel="nofollow"> Leith van Onselen </a>from Macrobusiness,   and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/populationclimatechange" rel="nofollow">Jane O&#39;Sullivan,</a>  in past episodes.  Martin Tye was also interviewed in the <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate" rel="nofollow">very first episode of PGAP.</a>  Listen here for a walk down history lane!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/zqFXinRN.jpg" alt="SPA event details"></p>

<p>SPA are the primary supporters of Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP).  While this podcast aims to invite broad perspectives on the Degrowth movement,  we believe that a stable or slowly declining populations,  both domestically and globally,  are crucial components of the post-growth transition.  If you want to find out more about where your co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen sit on population,  you can read more <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> and <a href="https://www.populationmedia.org/the-latest/population-growth-and-wealth-inequality" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a>  All opinions,  views and past and current legacies of our guests are strictly their own,  and do not always reflect the views of PGAP.</p>

<p>PGAP have one last episode in the wings with a VERY special guest (no spoilers!)  before we take a short break.  Stay tuned!  In the meantime,  please share this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks.   Subscribe to PGAP <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> or contact us with your thoughts and ideas <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.  </p><p>Special Guest: Martin Tye.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>For this short bonus episode of PGAP,  we welcome back Martin Tye,  Social Media and Promotions Coordinator of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a> (SPA).  Martin shares with us the details of SPA&#39;s new campaign &#39;Say NO to a Big Australia!&#39;  He also gives us a heads up on SPA&#39;s public forum,  being held in Adelaide on April 20th,  &quot;From housing crisis to eco-crisis: Why Australia&#39;s Population Growth is Unsustainable,&quot;  including keynote speakers Leith van Onselen and Dr Jane O&#39;Sullivan.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/5C2PZyMk.jpg" alt="Say No Big Australia Campaign"></p>

<p>Please consider <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">signing SPA&#39;s  position statement</a>,  calling for a sustainable population.  Find out more about the <a href="https://population.org.au/say_no_big_oz_campaign/" rel="nofollow">campaign here</a>. </p>

<p>Will you be in Adelaide on the 20th of April?  Then do come along to S<a href="https://population.org.au/events/public_forum_april_2024/" rel="nofollow">PA&#39;s free public forum</a> on Australia&#39;s Ponzi population experiment - and what we can do about it.   For those not in Adelaide,  the event will be live streamed.   PGAP has interviewed both keynote speakers,  including<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/budgetspecial" rel="nofollow"> Leith van Onselen </a>from Macrobusiness,   and <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/populationclimatechange" rel="nofollow">Jane O&#39;Sullivan,</a>  in past episodes.  Martin Tye was also interviewed in the <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate" rel="nofollow">very first episode of PGAP.</a>  Listen here for a walk down history lane!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/zqFXinRN.jpg" alt="SPA event details"></p>

<p>SPA are the primary supporters of Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP).  While this podcast aims to invite broad perspectives on the Degrowth movement,  we believe that a stable or slowly declining populations,  both domestically and globally,  are crucial components of the post-growth transition.  If you want to find out more about where your co-hosts Michael Bayliss and Mark Allen sit on population,  you can read more <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/articles/population" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> and <a href="https://www.populationmedia.org/the-latest/population-growth-and-wealth-inequality" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a>  All opinions,  views and past and current legacies of our guests are strictly their own,  and do not always reflect the views of PGAP.</p>

<p>PGAP have one last episode in the wings with a VERY special guest (no spoilers!)  before we take a short break.  Stay tuned!  In the meantime,  please share this and other episodes of PGAP with your friends, family and networks.   Subscribe to PGAP <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> or contact us with your thoughts and ideas <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.  </p><p>Special Guest: Martin Tye.</p>]]>
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  <title>Population and Climate Change with Ian Lowe and Jane O'Sullivan</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:00:00 +1000</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Bayliss</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Did you know that climate mitigation models show that the only scenarios that avoid dangerous climate change are those which assume global population peaks in the next decade and then declines? Why is no-one talking about this?  Luckily for us and the future of the planet,  PGAP’s two guests for this episode, Professor Ian Lowe and Doctor Jane O’Sullivan,  have written a new discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change.’  Co-written with Doctor Peter Cook and commissioned by Sustainable Population Australia, this new report uses clear concise language with thorough scientific research to make a very strong case for the role that population plays in this warming world.  PGAP speaks with Jane and Ian to unwrap the key points behind the discussion paper and to find out more about the stories behind these two inspiring people.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>1:03:21</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Did you know that climate mitigation models show that the only scenarios that avoid dangerous climate change are those which assume global population peaks in the next decade and then declines? Why is no-one talking about this?  Luckily for us and the future of the planet,  PGAP’s two guests for this episode, Professor Ian Lowe and Doctor Jane O’Sullivan,  have written a new discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change.’  Co-written with Doctor Peter Cook and commissioned by Sustainable Population Australia, this new report uses clear concise language with thorough scientific research to make a very strong case for the role that population plays in this warming world.  PGAP speaks with Jane and Ian to unwrap the key points behind the discussion paper and to find out more about the stories behind these two inspiring people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/alYoeod9.jpg" alt="spadiscuss"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change’ can be downloaded from the Sustainable Population Australia website &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  You can find out more about SPA and their recent campaigns &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/lets-rethink-big-australia/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://population.org.au/how-you-can-make-a-difference/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/QJHNai1j.jpg" alt="Ian Lowe"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ian was recently interviewed on ABC’s Radio National Science Show on the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper &lt;a href="https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/human-population-the-driver-of-greenhouse-emissions-and-all-env/13771554" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  As a patron for Sustainable Population Australia,  Ian was also interviewed for SPA’s ‘Meet the Patrons’  series of short videos &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JW6-7O5EU&amp;amp;list=PLqZhQi8eQurRR5xL6xP9qGgyStq4xkVNt&amp;amp;index=4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
Ian’s interview can be heard between 00:07:10  and 00:29:52&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/B0zZVfiW.jpg" alt="Jane Osullivan"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jane has just had a very topical article published in The Overpopulation Project:  &lt;a href="https://overpopulation-project.com/ukraine-war-temporary-glitch-or-tipping-point/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“Ukraine war: temporary glitch or tipping point?”&lt;/a&gt;  Last year, she was guest on the award winning US based podcast &lt;a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/483-jane-osullivan-debunking-the-aging-problem-scam/id1320141457?i=1000527935727&amp;amp;l=en" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“This Sustainable Life”&lt;/a&gt; to discuss SPA’s previous commissioned report “&lt;a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Silver Tsunami Or Silver Lining&lt;/a&gt;: Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population” - which Jane authored.&lt;br&gt;
Jane’s interview can be heard between 00:33:08 and 01: 01: 50&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I note that the New Economy Network Australia (NENA) were very kind in sharing the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper.   Their director, Dr. Michelle Maloney was one of the first guests on PGAP and both Jane and I have presented at NENA run conferences.   NENA is collaborating with Griffith University's Yunus Centre to deliver a short course: " Building the Wellbeing Economy: Foundations for Learning and Practice." The course brings together 21 thought-leaders over 8 weeks to discuss how we might reshape the economy in which both people and the planet thrive.  This is critical for any Post-Growth person to consider.  To register go &lt;a href="https://www.neweconomy.org.au/courses/building-a-wellbeing-economy-2022/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, or follow the poster below!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/Ix4zxPOJ.jpg" alt="NENA course"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loved the episode?  Hated it?  Love the episode but hate PGAP?  Firecely undecided?  We’d love to hear your (constructive) thoughts and feedback by contacting us &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Word of mouth is our main tool to crack the mainstream, so please consider sharing this episode,  subscribe to &lt;a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;PGAP&lt;/a&gt; or rate and reviewing this episode on &lt;a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Want to find out more about the host?  Check out my website &lt;a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Special Guests: Dr.  Jane O'Sullivcan and Prof. Ian Lowe.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that climate mitigation models show that the only scenarios that avoid dangerous climate change are those which assume global population peaks in the next decade and then declines? Why is no-one talking about this?  Luckily for us and the future of the planet,  PGAP’s two guests for this episode, Professor Ian Lowe and Doctor Jane O’Sullivan,  have written a new discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change.’  Co-written with Doctor Peter Cook and commissioned by Sustainable Population Australia, this new report uses clear concise language with thorough scientific research to make a very strong case for the role that population plays in this warming world.  PGAP speaks with Jane and Ian to unwrap the key points behind the discussion paper and to find out more about the stories behind these two inspiring people.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/alYoeod9.jpg" alt="spadiscuss"></p>

<p>The discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change’ can be downloaded from the Sustainable Population Australia website <a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  You can find out more about SPA and their recent campaigns <a href="https://population.org.au/lets-rethink-big-australia/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://population.org.au/how-you-can-make-a-difference/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/QJHNai1j.jpg" alt="Ian Lowe"></p>

<p>Ian was recently interviewed on ABC’s Radio National Science Show on the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/human-population-the-driver-of-greenhouse-emissions-and-all-env/13771554" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  As a patron for Sustainable Population Australia,  Ian was also interviewed for SPA’s ‘Meet the Patrons’  series of short videos <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JW6-7O5EU&list=PLqZhQi8eQurRR5xL6xP9qGgyStq4xkVNt&index=4" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br>
Ian’s interview can be heard between 00:07:10  and 00:29:52</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/B0zZVfiW.jpg" alt="Jane Osullivan"></p>

<p>Jane has just had a very topical article published in The Overpopulation Project:  <a href="https://overpopulation-project.com/ukraine-war-temporary-glitch-or-tipping-point/" rel="nofollow">“Ukraine war: temporary glitch or tipping point?”</a>  Last year, she was guest on the award winning US based podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/483-jane-osullivan-debunking-the-aging-problem-scam/id1320141457?i=1000527935727&l=en" rel="nofollow">“This Sustainable Life”</a> to discuss SPA’s previous commissioned report “<a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/" rel="nofollow">Silver Tsunami Or Silver Lining</a>: Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population” - which Jane authored.<br>
Jane’s interview can be heard between 00:33:08 and 01: 01: 50</p>

<p>I note that the New Economy Network Australia (NENA) were very kind in sharing the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper.   Their director, Dr. Michelle Maloney was one of the first guests on PGAP and both Jane and I have presented at NENA run conferences.   NENA is collaborating with Griffith University&#39;s Yunus Centre to deliver a short course: &quot; Building the Wellbeing Economy: Foundations for Learning and Practice.&quot; The course brings together 21 thought-leaders over 8 weeks to discuss how we might reshape the economy in which both people and the planet thrive.  This is critical for any Post-Growth person to consider.  To register go <a href="https://www.neweconomy.org.au/courses/building-a-wellbeing-economy-2022/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, or follow the poster below!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/Ix4zxPOJ.jpg" alt="NENA course"></p>

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    <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that climate mitigation models show that the only scenarios that avoid dangerous climate change are those which assume global population peaks in the next decade and then declines? Why is no-one talking about this?  Luckily for us and the future of the planet,  PGAP’s two guests for this episode, Professor Ian Lowe and Doctor Jane O’Sullivan,  have written a new discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change.’  Co-written with Doctor Peter Cook and commissioned by Sustainable Population Australia, this new report uses clear concise language with thorough scientific research to make a very strong case for the role that population plays in this warming world.  PGAP speaks with Jane and Ian to unwrap the key points behind the discussion paper and to find out more about the stories behind these two inspiring people.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/alYoeod9.jpg" alt="spadiscuss"></p>

<p>The discussion paper ‘Population and Climate Change’ can be downloaded from the Sustainable Population Australia website <a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/climate/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  You can find out more about SPA and their recent campaigns <a href="https://population.org.au/lets-rethink-big-australia/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://population.org.au/how-you-can-make-a-difference/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/QJHNai1j.jpg" alt="Ian Lowe"></p>

<p>Ian was recently interviewed on ABC’s Radio National Science Show on the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/human-population-the-driver-of-greenhouse-emissions-and-all-env/13771554" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  As a patron for Sustainable Population Australia,  Ian was also interviewed for SPA’s ‘Meet the Patrons’  series of short videos <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JW6-7O5EU&list=PLqZhQi8eQurRR5xL6xP9qGgyStq4xkVNt&index=4" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br>
Ian’s interview can be heard between 00:07:10  and 00:29:52</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/B0zZVfiW.jpg" alt="Jane Osullivan"></p>

<p>Jane has just had a very topical article published in The Overpopulation Project:  <a href="https://overpopulation-project.com/ukraine-war-temporary-glitch-or-tipping-point/" rel="nofollow">“Ukraine war: temporary glitch or tipping point?”</a>  Last year, she was guest on the award winning US based podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/483-jane-osullivan-debunking-the-aging-problem-scam/id1320141457?i=1000527935727&l=en" rel="nofollow">“This Sustainable Life”</a> to discuss SPA’s previous commissioned report “<a href="https://population.org.au/discussion-papers/ageing/" rel="nofollow">Silver Tsunami Or Silver Lining</a>: Why We Should Not Fear an Ageing Population” - which Jane authored.<br>
Jane’s interview can be heard between 00:33:08 and 01: 01: 50</p>

<p>I note that the New Economy Network Australia (NENA) were very kind in sharing the ‘Population and Climate Change’ discussion paper.   Their director, Dr. Michelle Maloney was one of the first guests on PGAP and both Jane and I have presented at NENA run conferences.   NENA is collaborating with Griffith University&#39;s Yunus Centre to deliver a short course: &quot; Building the Wellbeing Economy: Foundations for Learning and Practice.&quot; The course brings together 21 thought-leaders over 8 weeks to discuss how we might reshape the economy in which both people and the planet thrive.  This is critical for any Post-Growth person to consider.  To register go <a href="https://www.neweconomy.org.au/courses/building-a-wellbeing-economy-2022/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, or follow the poster below!</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/Ix4zxPOJ.jpg" alt="NENA course"></p>

<p>Loved the episode?  Hated it?  Love the episode but hate PGAP?  Firecely undecided?  We’d love to hear your (constructive) thoughts and feedback by contacting us <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Word of mouth is our main tool to crack the mainstream, so please consider sharing this episode,  subscribe to <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/subscribe" rel="nofollow">PGAP</a> or rate and reviewing this episode on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcasts</a>.</p>

<p>Want to find out more about the host?  Check out my website <a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Special Guests: Dr.  Jane O&#39;Sullivcan and Prof. Ian Lowe.</p>]]>
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