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    <description>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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    <itunes:summary>The podcast where better is definitely better than bigger.
Do you think growing infinitely on a finite planet is an oxymoron? If the answer is yes, then this podcast is for you.
In each episode of the Post-Growth Australia Podcast (PGAP), host Michael Bayliss talks to experts to unpack the notion of post-growth societies and what this means for us, for future generations and for the planet.
Each episode will also play an environmental themed song from local artists.
PGAP is made possible by the support of Sustainable Population Australia (SPA).
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  <title>Building a circular solar future with Darren Johannesen</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Did you know that in 2024/2025, 3.4 million solar panels were decommissioned?  Did you also know that up to 99% of solar panel material is recyclable?  In this episode, we welcome Darren Johannesen, Executive General Manager of Sustainability at Smart Energy Council.  We discuss the recent success of Smart Energy Council’s Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program as an example of urban mining and go on to examine how this could be rolled out on a national scale.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>Did you know that in 2024/2025, 3.4 million solar panels were decommissioned?  Did you also know that up to 99% of solar panel material is recyclable?  In this episode, we welcome Darren Johannesen (https://smartenergy.org.au/our-team/), Executive General Manager of Sustainability at Smart Energy Council (https://smartenergy.org.au/).  We discuss the recent success of Smart Energy Council’s Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program (https://smartenergy.org.au/reuse-recycle/) as an example of urban mining and go on to examine how this could be rolled out on a national scale.
&lt;img src="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/OcemfY00.jpg" alt="cover art DJ PV"&gt;
The Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program is one working example of how a ‘circular economy model’ would work. Darren however cautions that circular economy models are limited in light of the loss in energy and resources that are implicit with recycling. We at PGAP argue that this is all the more reason why a circular based economy must go hand in hand with a post-growth economic system. Finally, Darren shares his personal vision for a possible post-growth future and what it might look like.
Co-host Michael Bayliss is joined by Mark Allen for the introduction and outro for this episode, where they reflect on this great initiative from Smart Energy Council. They also discuss the imperative for a planned degrowth transition in a world that is drowning under ever growing piles of aggregate consumer waste.   Mark and Michael also discuss some recent developments and current affairs as ‘post-growth’ and ‘collapse’ enters mainstream discourse.
Did you enjoy this episode?  Feel free to show your appreciation by rating and review PGAP on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099) or your favourite platform.  Or write to us through our contact form (https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact) with your feedback and any ideas you might have for future episodes. We also appreciate guest recommendations!  Please feel free to share this and other episodes of PGAP within your networks.  We rely exclusively on word of mouth.
PGAP is made possible with the support of Sustainable Population Australia (https://population.org.au/).  Please check out SPA on their website and consider signing their position statement  (https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/)or even signing-up  (https://population.org.au/support/)as a supporter or member.
Want to explorer deeper into the themes raises by this episode?  Here are some links:
The following webinars explore the Smart Energy Council ‘Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program’ in detail:
  Solar Recycling &amp;amp; Material End Markets – Stewardship Webinar I Smart Energy Council (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHZ6PCY0g0)   
 slides here (https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/stewardship-webinar-1-solar-recycling-material-end-markets.pdf)
  Webinar Renewable Sector Stewardship Enablers   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xDDL9Q6IIk) 
 slides here (https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/webinar-2-renewable-sector-stewardship-enablers.pdf)
  Solar Panel Reuse I Stewardship Webinar Series - Smart Energy Council (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQfYmFvzFtM)
 slides here (https://portal.smartenergy.org.au/hubfs/assets/webinar-presentations/2025/October/2025-10-21-stewardship-webinar-3-solar-panel-reuse.pdf)
The episode refers to two past episodes of PGAP.  These include: “Save our Soils: Regenerative Farming with Louis De Jaeger (https://pgap.fireside.fm/sos)” and;  “Working Toward a Circular Economy Future in Australia with Phil Jones (https://pgap.fireside.fm/circulareconomycasse)”.
One of our previous guests, Kate Booth from Just Collapse, was a panellist in the ABC debate: “We’re F'ed! It’s too late to avoid civilisational collapse (https://www.beakerstreet.com.au/beaker-street-x-big-ideas-were-fed-its-too-late-to-avoid-civilisational-collapse/)."   Kate Booth was special guest on the PGAP episode “Planning for a Just Collapse” (https://pgap.fireside.fm/katebooth).
You can find more about the work of PGAP co-hosts Mark Allen HERE (https://holisticactivism.net/) and Michael Bayliss HERE. (https://michaelbayliss.org/)
The opinions of PGAP guests, including any legacies past or present, are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.
 Special Guest: Darren Johannesen .
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    <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that in 2024/2025, 3.4 million solar panels were decommissioned?  Did you also know that up to 99% of solar panel material is recyclable?  In this episode, we welcome <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/our-team/" rel="nofollow">Darren Johannesen</a>, Executive General Manager of Sustainability at <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Smart Energy Council</a>.  We discuss the recent success of Smart Energy Council’s <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/reuse-recycle/" rel="nofollow">Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program</a> as an example of urban mining and go on to examine how this could be rolled out on a national scale.</p>

<p><img src="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/OcemfY00.jpg" alt="cover art DJ PV"></p>

<p>The Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program is one working example of how a ‘circular economy model’ would work. Darren however cautions that circular economy models are limited in light of the loss in energy and resources that are implicit with recycling. We at PGAP argue that this is all the more reason why a circular based economy must go hand in hand with a post-growth economic system. Finally, Darren shares his personal vision for a possible post-growth future and what it might look like.</p>

<p>Co-host Michael Bayliss is joined by Mark Allen for the introduction and outro for this episode, where they reflect on this great initiative from Smart Energy Council. They also discuss the imperative for a planned degrowth transition in a world that is drowning under ever growing piles of aggregate consumer waste.   Mark and Michael also discuss some recent developments and current affairs as ‘post-growth’ and ‘collapse’ enters mainstream discourse.</p>

<p>Did you enjoy this episode?  Feel free to show your appreciation by rating and review PGAP on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a> or your favourite platform.  Or write to us through our <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">contact form</a> with your feedback and any ideas you might have for future episodes. We also appreciate guest recommendations!  Please feel free to share this and other episodes of PGAP within your networks.  We rely exclusively on word of mouth.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible with the support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  Please check out SPA on their website and consider signing their <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">position statement </a>or even <a href="https://population.org.au/support/" rel="nofollow">signing-up </a>as a supporter or member.</p>

<p>Want to explorer deeper into the themes raises by this episode?  Here are some links:</p>

<p>The following webinars explore the Smart Energy Council ‘Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program’ in detail:</p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHZ6PCY0g0" rel="nofollow">Solar Recycling &amp; Material End Markets – Stewardship Webinar I Smart Energy Council</a><br><br>
 <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/stewardship-webinar-1-solar-recycling-material-end-markets.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xDDL9Q6IIk" rel="nofollow">Webinar Renewable Sector Stewardship Enablers  </a> <br>
 <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/webinar-2-renewable-sector-stewardship-enablers.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQfYmFvzFtM" rel="nofollow">Solar Panel Reuse I Stewardship Webinar Series - Smart Energy Council</a><br>
 <a href="https://portal.smartenergy.org.au/hubfs/assets/webinar-presentations/2025/October/2025-10-21-stewardship-webinar-3-solar-panel-reuse.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
</ul>

<p>The episode refers to two past episodes of PGAP.  These include: “<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/sos" rel="nofollow">Save our Soils: Regenerative Farming with Louis De Jaeger</a>” and;  “<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/circulareconomycasse" rel="nofollow">Working Toward a Circular Economy Future in Australia with Phil Jones</a>”.</p>

<p>One of our previous guests, Kate Booth from Just Collapse, was a panellist in the ABC debate: “<a href="https://www.beakerstreet.com.au/beaker-street-x-big-ideas-were-fed-its-too-late-to-avoid-civilisational-collapse/" rel="nofollow">We’re F&#39;ed! It’s too late to avoid civilisational collapse</a>.&quot;   Kate Booth was special guest on the PGAP episode <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/katebooth" rel="nofollow">“Planning for a Just Collapse”</a>.</p>

<p>You can find more about the work of PGAP co-hosts Mark Allen <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> and Michael Bayliss<a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow"> HERE.</a></p>

<p><em>The opinions of PGAP guests, including any legacies past or present, are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Darren Johannesen .</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that in 2024/2025, 3.4 million solar panels were decommissioned?  Did you also know that up to 99% of solar panel material is recyclable?  In this episode, we welcome <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/our-team/" rel="nofollow">Darren Johannesen</a>, Executive General Manager of Sustainability at <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Smart Energy Council</a>.  We discuss the recent success of Smart Energy Council’s <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/reuse-recycle/" rel="nofollow">Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program</a> as an example of urban mining and go on to examine how this could be rolled out on a national scale.</p>

<p><img src="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/OcemfY00.jpg" alt="cover art DJ PV"></p>

<p>The Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program is one working example of how a ‘circular economy model’ would work. Darren however cautions that circular economy models are limited in light of the loss in energy and resources that are implicit with recycling. We at PGAP argue that this is all the more reason why a circular based economy must go hand in hand with a post-growth economic system. Finally, Darren shares his personal vision for a possible post-growth future and what it might look like.</p>

<p>Co-host Michael Bayliss is joined by Mark Allen for the introduction and outro for this episode, where they reflect on this great initiative from Smart Energy Council. They also discuss the imperative for a planned degrowth transition in a world that is drowning under ever growing piles of aggregate consumer waste.   Mark and Michael also discuss some recent developments and current affairs as ‘post-growth’ and ‘collapse’ enters mainstream discourse.</p>

<p>Did you enjoy this episode?  Feel free to show your appreciation by rating and review PGAP on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a> or your favourite platform.  Or write to us through our <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/contact" rel="nofollow">contact form</a> with your feedback and any ideas you might have for future episodes. We also appreciate guest recommendations!  Please feel free to share this and other episodes of PGAP within your networks.  We rely exclusively on word of mouth.</p>

<p>PGAP is made possible with the support of <a href="https://population.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Sustainable Population Australia</a>.  Please check out SPA on their website and consider signing their <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">position statement </a>or even <a href="https://population.org.au/support/" rel="nofollow">signing-up </a>as a supporter or member.</p>

<p>Want to explorer deeper into the themes raises by this episode?  Here are some links:</p>

<p>The following webinars explore the Smart Energy Council ‘Solar PV Recycling and Products Stewardship Program’ in detail:</p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHZ6PCY0g0" rel="nofollow">Solar Recycling &amp; Material End Markets – Stewardship Webinar I Smart Energy Council</a><br><br>
 <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/stewardship-webinar-1-solar-recycling-material-end-markets.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xDDL9Q6IIk" rel="nofollow">Webinar Renewable Sector Stewardship Enablers  </a> <br>
 <a href="https://smartenergy.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/webinar-2-renewable-sector-stewardship-enablers.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQfYmFvzFtM" rel="nofollow">Solar Panel Reuse I Stewardship Webinar Series - Smart Energy Council</a><br>
 <a href="https://portal.smartenergy.org.au/hubfs/assets/webinar-presentations/2025/October/2025-10-21-stewardship-webinar-3-solar-panel-reuse.pdf" rel="nofollow">slides here</a></p></li>
</ul>

<p>The episode refers to two past episodes of PGAP.  These include: “<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/sos" rel="nofollow">Save our Soils: Regenerative Farming with Louis De Jaeger</a>” and;  “<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/circulareconomycasse" rel="nofollow">Working Toward a Circular Economy Future in Australia with Phil Jones</a>”.</p>

<p>One of our previous guests, Kate Booth from Just Collapse, was a panellist in the ABC debate: “<a href="https://www.beakerstreet.com.au/beaker-street-x-big-ideas-were-fed-its-too-late-to-avoid-civilisational-collapse/" rel="nofollow">We’re F&#39;ed! It’s too late to avoid civilisational collapse</a>.&quot;   Kate Booth was special guest on the PGAP episode <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/katebooth" rel="nofollow">“Planning for a Just Collapse”</a>.</p>

<p>You can find more about the work of PGAP co-hosts Mark Allen <a href="https://holisticactivism.net/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> and Michael Bayliss<a href="https://michaelbayliss.org/" rel="nofollow"> HERE.</a></p>

<p><em>The opinions of PGAP guests, including any legacies past or present, are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the views of PGAP or SPA.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Darren Johannesen .</p>]]>
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  <author>Michael Bayliss</author>
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Across the next two episodes of PGAP, we will be showcasing the good work from CASSE NSW Inc (https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/).,  who are advocating for the steady state economy in Australia.
For this episode, we interview Phil Jones, Treasurer and Secretary, as he shares with us the progress of government reports and inquiries into the Circular Economy. Furthermore, why it is crucial that we encourage the government to take serious action in implementing the circular economy, rather than letting their reports gather dust in Canberra.
We discuss two reports in particular:
 The Circular Economy Ministerial Advisory Group (https://www.dcceew.gov.au/environment/protection/circular-economy/ministerial-advisory-group), established in 2023, and:
 The Productivity Commission “Opportunities in the Circular Economy (https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/circular-economy/interim)” interim report
The circular economy is defined by Wikipepdia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_economy#Critiques_of_circular_economy_models) as:  “a model of resource production and consumption in any economy that involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing, and recycling existing materials and products for as long as possible.”
Phil is positive with the potential for the rollout of the circular economy in Australia, especially in its capacity to catalyse existing initiatives such as recycling programs, repair cafes,  second hand exchange initiatives,  etc.   However, he cautions that the circular economy is alone insufficient in achieving true sustainability unless it is coupled with the Steady State Economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_economy).  That is, "an economy made up of a constant stock of physical wealth (capital) and a constant population size, which does grow over the course of time".
The episode concludes with a call to action to get some real and action in response to these reports.  A good place to start is by signing the CASSE NSW INC petition (https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/post/casse-nsw-s-petition-to-parliament) to establish a Federal government inquiry into the steady state economy.
Did you like this episode and want to explore further?
You may be interested in PGAP’s first ever episode with Steady State ACT (https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate), or with CASSE’s international director Brian Czech (https://pgap.fireside.fm/brianczech).  We also discussed the New Economy Network Australia on the episode,  so you may be interested in PGAP’s coverage of the 2023 NENA conference (https://pgap.fireside.fm/nena2023) (sadly,  I didn’t get around to recording Phil’s excellent talk).
You can find out more about Phil and CASSE NSW in the Sustainable Population Australia Newsletter November 2024 (https://population.org.au/newsletters/spa-newsletter-157-november-2024/).  Speaking of SPA, who proudly support PGAP, please consider signing their position statement (https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/),  calling for an end to population growth in Australia.
You can also support PGAP by sharing this or other episodes with your networks.  Encourage the online community to listen to PGAP by rating and reviewing us on Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099).   On the PGAP website, (https://pgap.fireside.fm/)  you can subscribe or contact us,  as we appreciate your invaluable feedback and suggestions.
All perspectives of PGAP guests,  including legacy past, present and future,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the perspectives or working of PGAP or SPA.
 Special Guest: Phil Jones.
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    <![CDATA[<p><img src="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/1/17723385-3cd9-4642-b57d-6de8191b8794/XjRMw_KZ.jpg" alt="circular economy resize"></p>

<p>Across the next two episodes of PGAP, we will be showcasing the good work from <a href="https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/" rel="nofollow">CASSE NSW Inc</a>.,  who are advocating for the steady state economy in Australia.</p>

<p>For this episode, we interview Phil Jones, Treasurer and Secretary, as he shares with us the progress of government reports and inquiries into the Circular Economy. Furthermore, why it is crucial that we encourage the government to take serious action in implementing the circular economy, rather than letting their reports gather dust in Canberra.</p>

<p>We discuss two reports in particular:</p>

<ul>
<li> The <a href="https://www.dcceew.gov.au/environment/protection/circular-economy/ministerial-advisory-group" rel="nofollow">Circular Economy Ministerial Advisory Group</a>, established in 2023, and:</li>
<li> The Productivity Commission “<a href="https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/circular-economy/interim" rel="nofollow">Opportunities in the Circular Economy</a>” interim report</li>
</ul>

<p>The circular economy is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_economy#Critiques_of_circular_economy_models" rel="nofollow">defined by Wikipepdia</a> as:  “a model of resource production and consumption in any economy that involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing, and recycling existing materials and products for as long as possible.”</p>

<p>Phil is positive with the potential for the rollout of the circular economy in Australia, especially in its capacity to catalyse existing initiatives such as recycling programs, repair cafes,  second hand exchange initiatives,  etc.   However, he cautions that the circular economy is alone insufficient in achieving true sustainability unless it is coupled with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_economy" rel="nofollow">Steady State Economy</a>.  That is, &quot;an economy made up of a constant stock of physical wealth (capital) and a constant population size, which does grow over the course of time&quot;.</p>

<p>The episode concludes with a call to action to get some real and action in response to these reports.  A good place to start is by signing the<a href="https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/post/casse-nsw-s-petition-to-parliament" rel="nofollow"> CASSE NSW INC petition</a> to establish a Federal government inquiry into the steady state economy.</p>

<p>Did you like this episode and want to explore further?</p>

<p>You may be interested in PGAP’s first ever episode with <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate" rel="nofollow">Steady State ACT</a>, or with CASSE’s international director <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/brianczech" rel="nofollow">Brian Czech</a>.  We also discussed the New Economy Network Australia on the episode,  so you may be interested in PGAP’s coverage of the<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/nena2023" rel="nofollow"> 2023 NENA conference</a> (sadly,  I didn’t get around to recording Phil’s excellent talk).</p>

<p>You can find out more about Phil and CASSE NSW in the Sustainable Population Australia <a href="https://population.org.au/newsletters/spa-newsletter-157-november-2024/" rel="nofollow">Newsletter November 2024</a>.  Speaking of SPA, who proudly support PGAP, please consider signing their <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">position statement</a>,  calling for an end to population growth in Australia.</p>

<p>You can also support PGAP by sharing this or other episodes with your networks.  Encourage the online community to listen to PGAP by rating and reviewing us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.   On the <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">PGAP website,</a>  you can subscribe or contact us,  as we appreciate your invaluable feedback and suggestions.</p>

<p><em>All perspectives of PGAP guests,  including legacy past, present and future,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the perspectives or working of PGAP or SPA.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Phil Jones.</p>]]>
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<p>Across the next two episodes of PGAP, we will be showcasing the good work from <a href="https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/" rel="nofollow">CASSE NSW Inc</a>.,  who are advocating for the steady state economy in Australia.</p>

<p>For this episode, we interview Phil Jones, Treasurer and Secretary, as he shares with us the progress of government reports and inquiries into the Circular Economy. Furthermore, why it is crucial that we encourage the government to take serious action in implementing the circular economy, rather than letting their reports gather dust in Canberra.</p>

<p>We discuss two reports in particular:</p>

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<li> The <a href="https://www.dcceew.gov.au/environment/protection/circular-economy/ministerial-advisory-group" rel="nofollow">Circular Economy Ministerial Advisory Group</a>, established in 2023, and:</li>
<li> The Productivity Commission “<a href="https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/circular-economy/interim" rel="nofollow">Opportunities in the Circular Economy</a>” interim report</li>
</ul>

<p>The circular economy is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_economy#Critiques_of_circular_economy_models" rel="nofollow">defined by Wikipepdia</a> as:  “a model of resource production and consumption in any economy that involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing, and recycling existing materials and products for as long as possible.”</p>

<p>Phil is positive with the potential for the rollout of the circular economy in Australia, especially in its capacity to catalyse existing initiatives such as recycling programs, repair cafes,  second hand exchange initiatives,  etc.   However, he cautions that the circular economy is alone insufficient in achieving true sustainability unless it is coupled with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_economy" rel="nofollow">Steady State Economy</a>.  That is, &quot;an economy made up of a constant stock of physical wealth (capital) and a constant population size, which does grow over the course of time&quot;.</p>

<p>The episode concludes with a call to action to get some real and action in response to these reports.  A good place to start is by signing the<a href="https://www.casse-nsw.org.au/post/casse-nsw-s-petition-to-parliament" rel="nofollow"> CASSE NSW INC petition</a> to establish a Federal government inquiry into the steady state economy.</p>

<p>Did you like this episode and want to explore further?</p>

<p>You may be interested in PGAP’s first ever episode with <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/steadystate" rel="nofollow">Steady State ACT</a>, or with CASSE’s international director <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/brianczech" rel="nofollow">Brian Czech</a>.  We also discussed the New Economy Network Australia on the episode,  so you may be interested in PGAP’s coverage of the<a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/nena2023" rel="nofollow"> 2023 NENA conference</a> (sadly,  I didn’t get around to recording Phil’s excellent talk).</p>

<p>You can find out more about Phil and CASSE NSW in the Sustainable Population Australia <a href="https://population.org.au/newsletters/spa-newsletter-157-november-2024/" rel="nofollow">Newsletter November 2024</a>.  Speaking of SPA, who proudly support PGAP, please consider signing their <a href="https://population.org.au/sign-the-spa-position-statement/" rel="nofollow">position statement</a>,  calling for an end to population growth in Australia.</p>

<p>You can also support PGAP by sharing this or other episodes with your networks.  Encourage the online community to listen to PGAP by rating and reviewing us on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/post-growth-australia-podcast/id1522194099" rel="nofollow">Apple Podcast</a>.   On the <a href="https://pgap.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">PGAP website,</a>  you can subscribe or contact us,  as we appreciate your invaluable feedback and suggestions.</p>

<p><em>All perspectives of PGAP guests,  including legacy past, present and future,  are exclusively theirs and do not always reflect the perspectives or working of PGAP or SPA.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Phil Jones.</p>]]>
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